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Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:24 am

I got 2 Re Unions this year with a group I was signed with years back and instead of getting Fresh Roadies with some nuts left, they are using the same bastards that cried years ago as they unsheathed the B3, CS80 and Yamaha CP Grand, all with super heavy ass Anvils.
I'll make sure they earn their money, as I use to Pour Concrete whenever we weren't touring so I would try and motivate the Crew.
I can't wait to see these guys in action as I was the baby of the band everyone was 10 years older than me, so now they are close to retirement age, and since the band leaders make major cash, and as usual I don't, I will only work with my ears....

Glad to see others using Solaris on the road.
I have a great case I bought from A&S Cases of Hollywood. They even had the Beige Snakeskin I used on my racks back in the '80s, as it was scratch proof synthetic stuff, really cool stuff.

The point was that Solaris in the gig bag I use for my local gigs has been fine so far, but I will be flying Solaris back East for the gathering of the Rock Gods... :mrgreen:

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:28 am

Fortunately I do have a crew to carry & Setup my rig on tour - but in my alternative life in my studio control is everything and I've only the two hands so even if it's boring (I completely agree!) automation of parameters is a necessary evil I'm afraid...

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:02 am

Fellow warriors of DSP, no doubt.
Gambling isn't an addiction - it's a bonus. Musicians and Culinary folks know the tricks and can make an extra couple of bones every payday, but you must go to a convenience store.
FWIW in Nevada, 100 dollar bills flow everywhere, but to use them in a convenience store you must stick them in a video poker game and hit cash out, w/o betting. The counter then receives 5 x 20s from the underground safe and distributes said monies.
Also in the State of Nevada state laws and gaming board regulations make sure the games pay 98.9% payback, so when 50-60 people exchange their hundred dollar bills in the poker game, the game actually registers this cash and pays out quicker as it doesn't know the person cashed out, only what comes in.
After x-amount of dollars the machines start their payback cycle, and employees are not allowed to play, so they can call me and we work out the splits.
Also the screens show 24 game choices. These remain until you choose playing 2$ bets. Now the choices drop from 24 to 10, this means your odds rise even further. These 2 factors of cycled paybacks and odds increases means you can sit down and within 5 minutes and tell if you are going to hit big hands or not.
Sometimes I lose 20 and say ---- it. 9 out of 10 times I can hit and run for 1-200. Being a trained professional and not stricken with mans purest emotion (greed) I get up and leave, as I can always come back. So if you visit me in Nevada, I can show you how to get paid for coming. But you only need leave the guided tour as the machines on the strip are pounced upon by slot teams and vultures who watch and wait like patient predators.

NRPN stuff just doesn't appeal to me very much, but I do have a list of features I would love to see incorporated like the 5 assignable knobs having multiple destinations, with negative/positive and offsets. Then being able to attach an expression pedal to the knob would be a grand feature.

But since I don't use sequencers much anymore, I grew weary of them in the mid 90's after 6 nights a week for 10 years. Rather just play what I hear and improvize swells timed by the ribbon, etc.
But if I were an indoor cat the automations would be useful for overdubbing.

If I get lucky again and get signed, I will demand I have my own Road Crew of Black Bikini'd babes, 2 x onstage at all time that have memorized the automations I need and perform them.
It's really boring looking at singers, I actually know how to captivate the audience. Have played in all girl bands and while doing so see the seats sell out early. Then playing in a really great band where the musicianship skills are supreme, and nobody cares. So just give me the cash and the babes. I'll impress myself at home, at the gig, keep it stupid and sexy...

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:45 am

Sounds like we've lots in common - I've a moog Ring mod, phaser & delay which I often put between my C3 or A100 & Leslie.
But gambling is the only addiction I've managed to avoid so far in life.
But seriously Jimmy what's your thoughts on all this NRPN business?

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Tue Mar 19, 2013 2:00 pm

I'm from Vegas, we worship many Gods.
When I am gambling I take no chances are pray to all of them, one is bound to answer.

Last week Buddha bought me a Moog Ring Modulator to place in the front of a Leslie I have on order.
It sounds pretty good with my Motion Sound Pro3s, but the Leslie Studio 12 is what I am waiting for.
For an order of such magnitude, I believe Zeus or Oden would be worthy, but if they screw up, I will go alphabetically starting with Allah, Buddha, Joehovah and maybe I'll try Darwin to see if he has any juice.

Cheers

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:13 am

Is it just me or didn't any of the other Solaris owners get their synths out of the box yet?

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:07 am

Sorry Jimmy, I've no idea what you're talking about - growing up in Kent in the SE of England we had none of that in the Church of England, nothing happy clappy - just fire & brimstone and pastoral hymns. But as Charles Darwin lived & worked in the village where I grew up I'm more of an evolutionist. A bit like we can see the natural evolution of synths from it's early attempts until the majesty of John's Solaris ;-) Now all we need is to understand it's DNA so we can decode it's NRPN behaviour! :-)

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:22 am

Yes, Bikinis, by all means.....

But also as the good Reverend would say..........

"Mans So-Wull,............Cannot Lee-ivv, on Shrimps, Clams and Poke Chops."
(there's other things)

Rev. Cleophus Robinson

He was the man where I grew up, and gigging Tent Revivals in rural farm communites where the Gospel greats came to sing, I had more fun there, than I did listening to my parents try and sing at the boring WASP Church I was reluctantly confirmed.

R.I.P. Rev
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Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:35 am

We can start a whole new thread on bikinis Jimmy! :-)
Don't worry - I can't give up performing either! I had to look up what a MidiOx is and a BCF2000 - now I know why - I'm a Mac user so MidiOx won't be able to help me unfortunately. Moog recently released a nice VST plugin which handles all the automation for the Voyager within Cubase even though it records all automation without it. The negative side effect of owning an exclusive dream machine is that due to the small number of units there probably isn't enough demand for such a VST plug for Solaris though. I also wrote to Midiquest enquiring as to if they would support Solaris as a librarian module - but got no reply. If only I had learnt to write code in my youth - but I was always too busy wowing those bikinis with my superfast fingers.....but I cannot help feeling it's my stupidity that hampering my efforts at seamless midi integration with Mac/Cubase/Solaris.

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:07 am

Because Hot women don't need Flourescent Bikinis to attract the Male HoneyBees..... :mrgreen:

I installed MIDI Ox and have a developer making me some Custom skins for Solaris. Already have the BCF 2000/Scope Modular Synth Skin, but now Solaris has a new friend and will dig deeply into the automation possibilities as someday I will retire from perfoming, I swear, and then these automations will be like having 2 girls in black Bikinis twisting my knobs rubbing my Ribbon while I play...I meant Solaris' knobs and Ribbon.

Hey thanks for the tip there Chief, it looks like the USB MIDI is the way to go.
I wish Solaris could use the hardware and USB simultaneaously. USB > MIDI Ox, while the hardware MIDI > BCF 2000 so I could use the Solaris KeyPad to change presets on the BCF 2000 in realtime.

Here's the BCF 2000 skinned for using Scope Modular IV ( another Bowen invention from the '90s ) that integrates Solaris into the Project window, where I route to DSP FX as well as hardware.
Solaris is played live through Mackie DLM8s + 12" Sub, as well as the Motion Sound Rotary Cabinet, soon to be replaced by the Leslie Studio 12. This allows to add Filters unknown to Analog or additonal modules Solaris didn't cover. I ran them @ 96k but they weren't designed in 96k like Solaris Filters, so the LPF, BPF, AP and HPFs of Solaris are noticably better than the best DSP Filters out there, which is a serious compliment considering those Filters in Scope are far better than Native countrparts that have the kiddies at KVR peeing their pants.

The MIDI Ox skin is Absolute 14bit resolution, what we need for the big jobs.
Solaris skinned should be pretty Cool too as I had to use a Canon Camera and a few top shots w/ the LCDs on in a low light surrounding.
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Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:58 am

I had Tx - on Rx-on MIDIctrl-on ClkSrc-Ext Vol-on, Ch-1 PrgChnag-On SendArp-off Omni-off Local Off-On

Sure - this automation level is really specific to studio intensive control.

How did you know she wears a black bikini Jimmy? But I like to keep all the inputs and outputs covered in the shots - seems more poetical.

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Sun Mar 17, 2013 5:49 am

I don't have MIDI Ox installed, but have been getting some really great BCF2000 tips using it, and have a Scope Modular app that is solely for the USB Mode allowing feedback while still accessing all hardware I/Os so I need to install that and see how far I get.
I know the USB on Solaris works as Reaper and Cubase have it show up in their device Menus.

Thanks,
If I get this to work I have a few ideas I'd like to try, even though I won't use such automations at a gig.
Glad to see guys using their synths though instead of showing it off like a new girlfriend in a Black Bikini with flourescent blue squares around the X Rated areas.

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Octupole » Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:36 am

Neil, Jimmy,

did you enable NRPN transmission? ("Tx-NRPN" to "on" in the MIDI menu).

I tried sending NRPN to MidiOx, and it seems to work - see screenshot below; these are ENV1 D,A,D,S,R (NRPN 10 to 14)

Best regards, Manfred
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Re: NRPN & Cubase

by Neil » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:37 am

Yes, I seem to get the same CC message all the time, but and John mentioned that the ribbon controller isn't transmitting midi data at the moment. Avoiding maths is my speciality as my ears are I think lager than my brain Jimmy! :-)
I would have expected with Solaris local off and no midi filter applied and midi thru enabled to be able to record and realtime parameter changes over Cubase (or any DAW) as with the Moogs, Oberheim etc - but Solaris seems to get stuck in feedback loops and not respond.
I even tried disabling midi thru with Solaris local on, recording parameter change etc then reversed those parameters and Solaris still doesn't respond.

Re: NRPN & Cubase

by scope4live » Sat Mar 16, 2013 2:27 pm

What I get is PBend, Volume Knob, Joystick, Aftertouch, Prgm Chng, ModWh, and ARP,
but each knob I twist to send data shows me the CC 006 and CC 038 ( #1 ), no matter
which knob I try to automate. Send and Recieve Channels are set, MIDI Cont.
MIDI Vol (knob) and Channel selection.
My only question is why each knob reads the same 2 x CC'c..?
What I do see functioning is the controllers I need automated, with the exception
of the Ribbon, which not only would be a major bonus for controller software, but is
the best thing for automating Filter Sweeps, as I use my ears and avoid math. This is
how I always timed my Sweeps Live, and also how I do big Noise Crescendos for
dynamic improvisational needs.
Updating the ribbon would be great for controlling other hardware too....

Ankyu
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