Waldorf Nave

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Waldorf Nave

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The Waldorf Nave has ignited my interest in Wavetable Synthesis.. It sounds amazing for an Ipad synth and has a lovely interface. It made me look for a great wavetable synth to compliment my other synths in my studio (Voyager, Kronos, ESQ1 and Nord Lead (although these last two will probably have to make room)) and was looking at the Studiologic Sledge a.o.. And then.. i stumbled upon the amazing Solaris (again after reading about it last year) and... ordered it.
So you might say the Nave made me order the Solaris. :?

This introduction was to explain my seemingly odd comparison of this ipad synth with the solaris. I'm new to wavetable synthesis and the Nave helps me understand and love it. Can anyone tell me if the Solaris can make the same sounds as the Nave? Do the oscillators work similar to Nave's ? I know the Solaris can scan the wavetables but does it work like in Nave? Does the Solaris have something similar to Nave's Spectrum, Brilliance, Noisy control -which i love- Is that standard to Wavetable synths or unique to the Nave? Also the W1*W2 (ring modulation of osc 1 with osc 2) control and Osc*W1 (Ring Modulation with the VA oscillator). I guess the ring modulation is def. possible with the Solaris (i read a bit through the manual).

thanks!

from Nave Manual:

Spectrum -1.00...+1.00
This parameter transposes the spectrum
of a sound, specifically the spectral
envelope. Negative values move the
spectrum down, higher values moves it
up. The default setting is 0, where no
transposition happens. This is the
behaviour of the classic wavetable synthesis.

Brilliance 0.00...1.00
A setting of this parameter is only audible,
when Spectrum is transposed relative to
the original pitch of a sound. Higher
settings result in narrow peaks. This can
lead to the effect, that the perceived pitch
comes from the sound spectrum instead of
the oscillators pitch. Sometimes value changes of this
parameter are partially subtle.

Noisy 0.00...1.00
This parameter adds a noisy sound character
to the Wave oscillator. The spectrum is
unaffected by the setting of this parameter.
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Re: Waldorf Nave

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Post some snippets of presets that grab you. Then I can compare as I don't have an iPad.

I am also a Wavetable geek, but only applying the modulations and FX that Scope DSP or Solaris bring to the table.
But here's some Snippets using Solaris' Waldorf treats.

http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/wormhole
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/solaris-doppler-train
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/crystal-vox
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-01-1
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-02-1
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-03-1
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-04-1
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-05-1
http://soundcloud.com/jimmyvee/waldorf-06-1
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Re: Waldorf Nave

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M-Prod wrote:from Nave Manual:

Spectrum -1.00...+1.00
This parameter transposes the spectrum of a sound, specifically the spectral envelope. Negative values move the spectrum down, higher values moves it up. The default setting is 0, where no transposition happens. This is the behaviour of the classic wavetable synthesis.

Brilliance 0.00...1.00
A setting of this parameter is only audible, when Spectrum is transposed relative to the original pitch of a sound. Higher settings result in narrow peaks. This can lead to the effect, that the perceived pitch comes from the sound spectrum instead of the oscillators pitch. Sometimes value changes of this parameter are partially subtle.

Noisy 0.00...1.00
This parameter adds a noisy sound character to the Wave oscillator. The spectrum is unaffected by the setting of this parameter.
We don't have any expanded functions such as these for the wavetables in the Solaris as of right now, but several things have been discussed for future updates. I'll have to ask about these Nave features, to see if it's clear what is going on with the algorithms. We do plan on having a User Wavetable object in the near future, and possibly at that time some additional features can be added.

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Re: Waldorf Nave

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@ Scope4Live: Thanks, i already listened to all of your excellent Solaris examples. I agree that the solaris can do great stuff that Nave cannot for sure.
Here are some examples. Not presets, but just playing with the Wave, Spectrum, Brilliance and Noise knob so you get the idea what they do (and imo, how useful they are). I love how the Spectrum is like a resonance/filter effect but more 'integrated in the wave'. The brilliance is best used subtle, but i used the full setting here to give an impression of what it does. I love the noise setting.

https://soundcloud.com/meprod/wave
https://soundcloud.com/meprod/spectrum
https://soundcloud.com/meprod/spectrum- ... e-added-no
https://soundcloud.com/meprod/spectrum- ... brilliance
https://soundcloud.com/meprod/a-bit-of-all

nothing musical here and less then stellare recording (buggy drivers on my audiofire cause crackling and the default output of the Nave is very low)


@ John. Thanks for your explanation. So these controls are not standard and not in the Solaris. Maybe someday. I think you might agree that these are very useful wavetable oscillator controls.
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Re: Waldorf Nave

Post by scope4live »

I love that sound and the modulations are great.
Thanks, and these additions to Solaris would be incredibly useful.

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